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Max and Katie Bichler Recap Amazing Race 23 Episode 3

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Rob Cesternino and Jessica Liese (@HaymakerHattie) talk with Max and Katie from Amazing Race 22 about Episode 3 of Amazing Race 23

This week, Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) and Amazing Race blogger Jessica Liese (@HaymakerHattie) were joined by the Amazing Race 22 runners up Max (@MrMaxBichler) and Katie (@KatherinBichler) to discuss the third episode of the Amazing Race 23 (King Arthur Style) which sent teams from Spain to Portugal.

The conversation starts out with the misfortune that Chester and Ephraim had in this leg of the race. Max noted that in the 25th minute of the episode, they were so on travel, so it accurately showed the travel length that the teams actually go through. Katie said that they Chester and Ephraim should have stuck with the pack.

Jessica thinks that the ticket agent cost them the Football Players their race and that she was the most incompetent ticket agent ever on the race. Max points out Bates and Anthony like the football players where they were given a ticket for the wrong day, but it was never aired because it was corrected in time. When put in Chester and Ephraim’s shoes, Max and Katie would not have taken the flight with two connections because it was too risky and think they should have stayed with the pack. Katie recommended booking back-up tickets just in-case, and Max clarified they are able to buy as many tickets as they want as long as they are refundable. Rob points out that Chester and Ephraim broke one of the Amazing Race 10 Commandments in “Thou Shall Not Book a Flight with More Than One Connection”, and it cost them.

Max and Katie expressed they were surprised by the fact that this leg was a non-elimination leg because the Football players were popular. Jessica and Rob echoed that, and Jessica said that was the first time that Phil has ever met a team at their flight. Max and Katie said that by meeting them at their flight, they did Chester and Ephraim a favor by not having them finish the leg.

Rob mentions how Tim and Marie have been made into the villains. Max said that it would have been bad to race with Marie, because their styles would not have meshed well because she is too assertive and catty. Rob points out that Tim and Marie had an alliance with the Baseball Bunnies (Nicky and Kim) and how they broke it. Katie said that the Bunnies pulled a slick move and Marie over reacted. Max summarized it by saying “If you aren’t behind her, you aren’t making her happy.”

Rob and Jessica run down the list of teams to see who has a feud with Tim and Marie.  The teams with a feud with the Tim and Marie are the Bunnies, Travis and Nicole as well as Jason and Amy. Max think that Marie’s redeeming factor is the fact that she is outspoken about the fact that she feuds with everyone rather hide the fact that she has a problem with them. According to Max and Katie, they could never have played the game like Tim and Marie.

Max thought that in his season, there was no chance of him getting the Express Pass and thinks campaigning for it is futile. Rob asks if Marie is waiting for someone to tear an ACL to give away the Express Pass, going back to the Amazing Race 22.

Rob brings up the new alliance between Travis and Nicole and Jason and Amy. Max called the alliances this season disturbing because he has never waited for a team and suggested doing a task together. Jessica’s stance on alliances is “Why Not?” because you will finish first and second anyways. Going back to this week’s detour, Katie said they would have done Miles if given the choice, but brings up the fact that you also need to take into account how close the tasks are. Max said they would have started with Miles and switched to Tiles if they struggled.

The discussion turns to the Tiles task and the fact that Marie broke a tile. Jessica thought that meant that Marie and Tim needed to start again. Max referred to the judges as people who nod their head and smile as they hand over the clue.  He also refers to the editing with challenges and how no one would know how many tries it took on the arrow task unless they said “Yes! First try!” Max calls the Express Pass a huge curse, and said that it causes you to second guess everything and encourages quitting and says he is glad he never had one.

Rob brings up the Afganimals and the Ice Girls romance and asks if Max and Katie had a race marriage. Max calls that sort of alliance stupid and that the Afganimals are trying too hard. They are compared to Bates and Anthony and Caroline and Jen from S22. Max and Katie loved the plan the Afganimals hatched to piss off Marie to get her to use the Express Pass. Max likes them because they are not out to make friends with everyone and referred to them as a male version of the Twinnies from last season. Jessica called the Afganimals a little too rehearsed and they are trying too hard.

Rob brings up the fact that Jason and Amy is on the race to test their relationship. Max calls that a horrible strategy and he thinks that’s sort of a tired story. He does say though that the testing the relationship story is created by the producers. Katie doesn’t resent Ally and Ashley for not being Buffalo Sabers ice girls. Max said they didn’t spike their radar since they have been in the middle and their character hasn’t developed. They are impressed by the Baseball Bunnies since they expected them to be frazzled by the race because of the lives they live.

Jessica addresses the intellectual fails with the Miles task, such as Tim and Danny forgetting the world is round and the Afganimals forgetting the Panama Canal was not made yet. Max refers to those sorts of mistakes as Race Blinders because it is easy to make mistakes and think out loud.

Max mentions the fact that they weren’t mentioned much on RHAP on their season. Jessica says this is because she didn’t want to reward villainy. Rob brings up the car accident that Jason and Amy were in their cab. Max and Katie said there is no way the cabbie left as quickly as he did.

Rob then goes into the viewer question. Max and Katie thought that Phil’s greeting to Tim and Marie, calling them “The last team to arrive besides one” a new one and that they thought it would have referred to a non-elimination race. The fact that Chester and Eprhaim were by themselves is brought up and Max and Katie said they almost were in that predicament, but it’s situational.

Max and Katie thought that given two good legs, Dave and Connor would have done very well on the race. They called them the best of both worlds and referred to the fact that even with one leg they beat a lot of the younger teams. Max and Katie think the rivalry with Joey and Megan started because they didn’t realize that it is a game. They have been unable to connect after the game and Megan calls them immature. Max refers to the fact that Joey and Megan thought that he was a bully and that they should have been able to put aside the game in real life. They are not subscribed to his channel on YouTube and say that they get death threats from his subscribers. Max and Katie say they are in touch with Chuck and Wynonna and spent the fourth of July with them. They said they are in touch with everyone else from their season minus Jessica and John and they even had beers with Mona and Beth who they didn’t like on the race.

Max and Katie clarify the rules that the ticket agent could have upgraded Chester and Ephraim to first class. They cannot buy first class seats, but they could be upgraded at no charge. Max does not think the Football guys are not memorable enough for an All-Stars season. Max thinks Caroline and Jen remind them the most of Ashley and Ally. He also thinks that Bates and Anthony would only root for Ally and Ashley if they are on the show with them. Looking back at S22, Katie thinks the Sandcastle task was the worst task on their season calling it even worse than the notorious haybale task.

Max turns the tables on Jessica, asking if she would consider applying for the race. She says she would not be cut out for the Amazing Race.

Join Rob Cesternino and Jessica Liese next week as they recap the next leg of the Amazing Race on Monday at 10:15 with a special Amazing Race guest!

Special Thanks to Mike Shaheen for this Amazing Race recap

Interview with Max & Katie from Amazing Race 22 about the Amazing Race 23 Episode 3

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  • Honibaz

    I lose more and more respect for the Afghanimals as the Race goes on. However, as much as people dislike them, I still feel that they’re the metagaming team of the season, and wholeheartedly agree with the notion that they’re the Twinnies of Season 23.

  • Stephen

    Good podcast guys. Max and Katie were fun guests, and had some great insight. I think Tim/Marie could have used their express passes here to cause some drama. Use theirs on the tiles task and give the other to the afghanimals. The Afghanimals would use theirs on the tiles and it would generate some mistrust between them and the Ice Girls. I don’t think anyone helps Tim/Marie on the next leg unless they give away the express pass up front, because they have to give it away at some point during the leg, so it has less bargaining power.

    Also, I am kind of glad it was an elimination leg, even though I was on board team NFL, because they were so far behind, making it a non-elimination would simply delay the inevitable. The Docs were probably 12 hours ahead of them, so timing the release point so everyone catches up on a flight to Norway would be near impossible.

  • finsburysghost

    I thought it was unfair a trans-Atlantic travel mistake caused an elimination. It’s one thing for a team to have a problem going from Germany to another European nation where there are numerous flights or ways to correct the error. With trans-Atlantic flights, if you miss one, you are likley stuck for 12+ hours as there are often only 2 flights per day per airline.
    Amazing Race have numerous non-elimination legs where people who make legitimate “Race” mistakes get bailed out. I don’t see why they couldn’t have kept he football players in and given them a speed bump.

  • dsharden

    Great podcast as always! Jessica’s knowledge of all things Amazing Race is awesome to listen to. My heart sank with the NFL’s out. Their attitude and enjoyment of the game was so fun to watch. How much did I like Max & Katie?/!!! Great. I loved how they were to be to bullies last season but were too nice to pull it off. Fun podcast with them. The flight gig was frustrating to me as a watcher but it’s how it works. Marie…UGH….I’m hoping they are the next to go home with express pass. Do not enjoy the bitchy people. Too much drama when there are brilliant others to watch. Thanks Jessica for the weekly blog. Love it!

    • Jessica does do a great job, doesn’t she?

      • dsharden

        Oh my G_d…Yes, she is and no better way to prove it than the night you (Rob) were away having a baby…Congrats, btw. That night she had the two guys who were past players on and they wouldn’t talk , it was so agonizing. I wanted to call her and start talking to her! She handled their silence with grace and kept the podcast going despite the lull in conversation from these two. NO disrespect to the two, but Malcolm with Stephen was much better. Jessica held her own and kept on topic. Big kudos to her for that!

        • The lesson I’ve learned this season is that if I ever have to host solo again, I am going to get Brook and Claire back on!

  • Kevin Wong

    Love the fact that we have TAR alums on the podcast this season.

    Would agree that the Afghanimals are trying too hard in front of the camera (Rupert-ing?), but I tend to think teams that do that end up stopping once the constant travel catches up with them and Racers end up being themselves.

    One thing that got missed after Max and Katie got dropped from the Hangout was Max was making a point about preparation and Cindy (I think). Did anyone catch what the gist of the point was?

    Speaking of which… can we get Ernie and Cindy back on the podcast?

    With trans-Atlantic flights, I don’t think that what happened was unfair – teams are left to gather their own data (and given that they were in a major city/airport, there had to be a lot of variables) and determine what level of risk is acceptable. Football players took on a high (and probably unnecessary) level of risk and were not rewarded. It was unfortunate, but it happens.

  • yesimsquidward

    I LOVE Max/Katie!!

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